“Quaker Dating” by Betsy Blake

Quaker Love Quaker Love

It started out as a sort of a joke back in February at a YAF Quaker gathering in Burlington, New Jersey. I don’t even know how it came up.

“Don’t you wish there was something like ‘Quakermatch.com’ to meet your Quaker LOVE?”

A group of us were standing in the back during a long-winded talent night. We quietly slipped into the hallway and quickly developed a skit about the imagined fake dating site.

I only remember a couple lines and the essence of our 2.5 minutes of fame.

Liz Wine and Micah Bales introduce the “advertisement” for the new website.

Then, I enter. I am a lost, single Quaker female.

I say to a nearby Greg Woods: “Hey, you’re cute, what are you into?”

Greg: “Chicken and war!”

Me: (sad face) bye…

Then, more strangers in the night, and my trusty pick-up line, which I totally recommend: “Hey, you’re cute, what are you into?”

And more sad responses…like, “Nascar.” (No offense, racing fans.)

And then I wonder, Oh, what is a girl to do?

And THEN, there is Benjamin Zuses, kindly smiling, light eyes twinkling.

I try again, “Hey, you’re cute, what are you into?”

He unfolds his arms and in a deep voice says, “Oh you know, peace, going to meeting, and making my future partner so very happy.”

Awww….

The announcer then interrupts “Quakermatch.com where you can go to ‘Make New Friends.’”

Applause, applause. Thank you, thank you.

We asked for a show of hands of anyone who would actually visit such a site, and there was a sea swell.

From all my work in various branches of Friends, attending Quaker conferences and organizing World Gathering of Young Friends, it is the same all over. Most Quakers want to marry other Quakers. There is some hesitancy sometimes to say it, maybe some embarrassment or shyness, but it’s there. It is a thread throughout the Quaker world, and it makes perfect sense.

Living the Quakerly life, ideally sets out to be an all-encompassing lifestyle. It is often counter-cultural and requires discipline. Plus, let’s face it. We can be pretty darn strange.

To keep on the, uh…joke, I started a “group” on Facebook (www.facebook.com) called, of course, “Quakermatch.com.” I sent invitations to some of the Burlington folks, and then some of my other Quaker friends, and then the thing exploded. Close to 200 people joined in just a few weeks. And, what, there are only like a thousand of us still alive and under 70 anyway, right? I mean, that is a pretty high number!

My favorite “subject” on Quakermatch is some of the QUAKER PICK-UP LINES:

• I'll be your Margaret if you'll be my George.
• I want to hold you in the Light.
• Are all hearts free?
• Want some SPICE in your life?
• (and my favorite, Quakermatch’s slogan) “Come on, let’s Make New Friends!”

Because of the response, and also just the years of late nights in sleeping bags on meetinghouse floors around the world, talking with other YAFs, dreaming of who our future spouse who be, I posted something asking if anyone wanted to try to take it to the next level, and really, really make a Quaker dating site.

I got a few responses from kind, talented, busy web programmers who would love to take on the project, but lack of funding put everything on hold.

(And wealthy matchmaking Quakers out there who want to increase our numbers and overall happiness? Come on y’all, there must be some grant for this, somewhere!)

**Is it kind of being done already?**

A few ripples have gone around about a web site that already exists: http://www.quakersingles.org/

I am not a member, but it looks rather interesting. I know of an attractive, intelligent, YAF who is on there, though at press time, he is unavailable for comment.

So, I don’t know. Keep me posted. Be faithful, and take risks.

As for me, I am happy to report that I am in a wonderful relationship with an amazing man, who yes, is Quaker. After years of explaining to my dates about what Quakerism is, and having them respond like…yeah ,I think it’s cool or interesting, and maybe dutifully sit through worship with me, while I would explain before, after and maybe during what was going on…

It was so nice to sit there with my Quakermatch, his warm arm around me, Bible outstretched, kind Friends surrounding us, jointly seeking knowledge and Truth and praying and smiling and blessing and accepting this common Love.


betsy- i'm so sorry to hear

betsy-
i'm so sorry to hear you and your quakerhoney broke up! that's so sad.
i'm really glad you wrote this--i definitely feel led to partner with someone quaker (in the long term, anyway). since i'm not around quakers that often, it puts some pressure on quaker gatherings where there are a critical mass of us--gathering, yearly meeting, etc. at gathering in tacoma the father of a guy who had taken my workshop asked me if AYFs came to gathering trying to meet people; i said i didn't think so, because people were worried about seeming predatory (i know i feel that way, anyway). he thought that was funny, because he met his wife at gathering and thought that in the 70s, many twenthysomethings totally expected to come to gathering and meet a partner.
i think there is way less hooking up in the AYF program than in HS; i'm not sure why, since most of us are eager to find a quaker partner. (not that hooking up necessarily leads to a relationship, of course)
perhaps we should establish a Committee on Friends Relationships and think about who would be appropriate partners for eachother, considering things like yearly meeting affiliation, geography, etc. (just kdiding. sort of.)
i'm hopeful that, for me, way will open one of these years and i'll meet a nice Friend to repopulate the Friends world with. ha.
guli fager

"Mentioning Jesus in your speech? That's small government. Actually doing what Jesus asks? That's big government."
--Stephen Colbert, June 21, 2006


For a vast panoply of

For a vast panoply of reasons, being a Quaker isn't one of my criteria for a partner. If I tried to find a match who is Quaker, I'd probably never find one.

Interestingly, Gavin's mention of OKCupid and his views on it are very close to my views. I'd say that the majority of matches that I've had any conversation with at least KNOW other Quakers or know a little bit about Quakerism. Oh, and a lot of them mark their religion as "Other," which gives a great opening to conversation. I'd say that "Other" makes up the...plurality of my matches, with Jewish in 2nd place, Atheist/Agnostic in 3rd, and the rest in tough competition for 4th.


Thanks for the comments,

Thanks for the comments, y'all! Okay, I have a confession--Emiliano and I just broke up-basically the day before this went up! Can you believe that? Craaaaaap. :(


My best friend is Mormon and

My best friend is Mormon and was open to dating outside her faith and ended up with another Mormon anyway. It does make sense in the end. But I also know that even when I wasn't associated with Quakers at all, I already felt at odds with the dating world anyway. It's called being a radical. I have since moved to San Francisco, and finally don't feel like a freak. Not the solution for everybody, but it helps.


Thanks for writing this,

Thanks for writing this, Betsy!

Not to diss dating websites, but if you are looking for a romantic relationship with another Quaker, I think the best way to meet someone is going to Quaker events. I know a bunch of people who have found someone both in local YAF events, and in wider Quaker events like FGC Gathering and the Burlington YAF conference last February. My partner / fiancé is Quaker, and FGC Gathering in Johnstown this year will be our 5th anniversary (and in the place that we met. Yay!)


[Edited to fix broken link,

[Edited to fix broken link, and - because the date of my comment got changed - to add a reply to other posts.] 

See my blog post in response to this one: "I would *totally* sign up for a Quaker dating site. As a matter of fact, I have. ... Any other books you'd recommend? Movies? Any good queries to suggest on the topic?"

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Also, I've got to say – I'm not convinced either that a separate site is the best solution.  I'm rather liking okcupid for connecting me with people of similar values, and it seems likely to do that for you no matter what your values are. 

-Gavin


I'm with Betsy: I'm

I'm with Betsy: I'm definitely looking to marry within the Society. After all, who wants to get read out of meeting? :)

Micah


As a "veteran" of many many

As a "veteran" of many many (many) dating/matchmaking websites--

I don't know that a site for Quakers-only would really be necessary, as I think that requiring specifically Quaker beliefs would be an unnecessarily restrictive characteristic-- limiting the "pool" of folks unnecessarily. But I understand the desire young Quaker people must have, to meet and date and marry people with similar values.

One service I used way back when was Concerned Singles, and I found it full (of course) of similarly-minded people who, as I see it, many Quakers would find compatible, BUT there was practically no one under 45 on the service (and I was 27-ish at the time). It seems to me that rather than re-invent the wheel, younger Quakers could join up to and somewhat "take over" services like that one. I think like-minded folks would also be likely to be found at book lovers matchmaking sites, eco-conscious matchmaking sites, and vegetarian matchmaking sites, etc. Basically sites that have a leaning toward people who feel their compassion for others is a core value in their life.

I'm just saying that further-and-further-fragmenting the populations who are out there seeking each other, into more and more SEPARATE databses, may not be the best strategy, if people are serious about getting out there and seeking a mate. There's a lot of love out there to be found! (And after looooooong last and so many missteps, I found mine!) So yeah, what I'm saying is: Cute idea, but perhaps in the execution of it, people might be limiting their possibilities.

Betsy, I remember you from back at the NJ thingie. You have the cutest hair and the most pleasant and cheery demeanor-- I'll never forget you, and was happy to stumble on this post of yours.


Can I just be one of many to

Can I just be one of many to say, "AWWW"???
I shared this blog with my 16 (today!) year-old brother, and my family. Thankyou for sharing your amazing experience and story! You put the feeling of Friends so well!